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by Wonderful-World from Texas

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If you've watched any news program over the past month, you've undoubtedly heard about the poor housing market.  Home values have decreased.  Sellers are throwing in all sorts of incentives for buyers, even cars.

For the first time, we protested our HCAD appraisal online.  Little did we know, protesting online would eliminate the "informal" hearing; the meeting with the HCAD representative for a discussion and, hopefully, agreement on the value.  We received a "settlement offer" from HCAD, which said if we didn't like it, we would be able to go to a hearing.  We didn't like the value  - the settlement offer was higher than the HCAD appraised value, which was higher than the HCAD market value.  Who's going to agree with that??

HCAD scheduled the hearing for today - a Saturday.  That's great as far as our schedule, but I think it makes for some irritated HCAD reps - the ones who have the power to reduce or increase your taxable values.  My husband did his homework, printed off our neighbors' values (all of which are much lower than ours) and went in armed.  After all was said and done (within about 10 minutes, most of which consisted of the reps saying their legal requirements on tape), HCAD came down by only $1,000 from their paper "settlement offer".  We have always been successful at lowering our value with HCAD, so this was quite a shock to us.  It will be more of a shock when the tax and insurance bills come in. 

While it might be nice to think that I have the most expensive home on my street (yea, right), I do not understand how HCAD can completely ignore the fact that the same amount of property and the same size houses up and down my street, in similar condition, do not have values that vary by $30k.  How can they ignore the fact that sellers are lowering their prices due to the market?  HCAD's own argument was that they compare our value only to comparable sales in the area, and not to my own neighbors' values.  They had only 2 sales on their comp list, both of which had more land, larger homes and newer pools, and were not on my street.  Interestingly, two homes have sold on my street in the past 12 months; however, they were no where to be found on the comp sales list. 

Our tax dollars are going to be used to bail out people who took out mortgages when they could not afford them in the first place.  WE get to help them stay in their homes while they and their lenders cry and say "oops!" and while WE get taxed to death.  Is it no wonder that many good people cannot buy a home? 

How did you do with HCAD this year?  Is this happening across Harris County, or was this year simply our turn over the barrel?

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torchbearer read my blog view my photos
Jul 26, 2008 | 2:25 PM

I filed a preotest on line in May, & haven't heard back from them.
I would surmise that "everybody" is out to get all they can in a bad economy.
You are right in that they will get it from those that can pay to make up for those that can't, perhaps!

Wonderful-World read my blog view my photos
Jul 26, 2008 | 3:44 PM

The way it "worked" for us doing it online, was that we protested online, then received their settlement offer. The settlement offer stated that we could go online to accept or decline it, or we could simply do nothing. If we did nothing, they would take it as a decline of the offer and set it for hearing. We did nothing, and about 2 weeks later we received the hearing notice.

We have always been successful in protesting our taxes at the informal hearing phase. We will not bypass that process by protesting online ever again. It would have helped had they let us know that the online process bypassed the informal negotiations.

The settlement offer was very confusing. I consider my husband and I to be relatively smart people, but we could not understand why their settlement offer was for a value higher than their own stated value. It makes me wonder how many people of lesser intelligence, or elderly people, or out-of-state owners just went along with the bogus settlement amounts without questioning it.

chassan read my blog view my photos
Jul 26, 2008 | 4:20 PM

Wonderful-World,

A lot of homeowners are unhappy with the higher values placed on their homes, even more so when they think about how the economic decline has impacted values.

The drop in values that have occurred this year due to the lousy economy will be reflected in the next appraisal.

Why?

An appraisal district in each county determines the January 1 market value of all taxable property, and the property is appraised at that value unless it is a residence homestead subject to a cap. Capped homesteads are limited to increases in appraised value of 10% each year.

So, any decline in home value this year is unlikely to be reflected in this year's values.

Something to keep in mind for future evaluations. Not only do you have the right to appeal your value to the appraisal district board, you also have the right to request binding arbitration instead. As part of the process, the property owner is required to make a $500 deposit with the state comptroller, who provides a list of arbitrators from which the property owner and the district can select. The arbitrator's decision on the value is binding. If the value selected by the arbitrator is closer to that supported by the property owner than the district, then the property owners gets his $500 back.

You also have the right to contest the matter in court.

chassan read my blog view my photos
Jul 26, 2008 | 4:23 PM

As you learned, you lost the opportunity for a meeting with an appraiser. Always select the process that provides for such a meeting, so that even if the appraisal doesn't see things your way, you will at least have a better understanding of the appraisers reasons for the value placed on your property. Such an understanding would allow you to better prepare for an appeal to the board.

On an unrelated note, after waiting for you to show up the other day, I took off on a horse to go to Harvard without you. Oh, well!

Foehammer read my blog view my photos
Jul 26, 2008 | 5:07 PM

I was always told that disputing the market value always amounted in little to no reduction. I have to say that $1000 constitues as that.

On the high side, my home is $34k higher than one of the houses on my street. On the low end, $1k higher than the one closest in value. At one time I was proud to say that my house was appraised for more than anyone elses...well, with age comes wisdom (and higher taxes).

WW, are home owners able to dispute this value each and every year? And have you ever seen it make a major difference?

Wonderful-World read my blog view my photos
Jul 26, 2008 | 5:18 PM

I am so sorry to have kept you waiting!

I hope others can learn from our mistake in not knowing the online process would eliminate the meeting with an appraiser. The online protest option looked good - we thought it would save us the 75-mile round trip to their office, and would merely let them know that we wanted to protest. My husband did not know that by protesting online, he waived the meeting with the appraiser.

Perhaps I shouldn't complain. We had the value reduced significantly in the past (below our purchase price actually) and they have left us alone for the past 3 years. If we decide to protest further, I'll blog about the experience. Do you know the success rate average of home owners who go on to binding ADR or district court?

Wonderful-World read my blog view my photos
Jul 26, 2008 | 5:27 PM

Foe: You can dispute the HCAD value each and every year, and we've always done just that. I have always been successful in reducing the value; on the low end by about $5k and on the high end about $25k. Even receiving only a $5k reduction in the value, over time, that adds up. People who don't protest every year may see their values creep up slowly and not think much about it. A $5k increase over 10 years is a $50k increase in value, with taxes levied accordingly. Unfortunately, I've never seen the HCAD value offer increase by only $5k; it has always been $10 to $30k per year. I was able to keep my previous house value below $150k for about 8 years, while my neighbors were being valued at $150. As long as you don't plan to sell your house anytime soon, I'd say it is well worth it to protest every year.

farmerhankhill read my blog view my photos
Jul 26, 2008 | 10:41 PM

When you pay your taxes with your notes, a lot of people never protest it. I didn't & regret it. When I found out about it, it was too late.
I, like you, didn't want to waste gas on a 140 mile RT!
Having no experience in these matters, sure doesn't help!
Not sure what will happen in my case, but I paid $250,000.00 cash for my home, & it is appraised at 260,000.00. I am told I can get it lowered to "at least" to what I paid for it, but I offered them less, showing pictures & comparable values in the neighborhood.
My neighbors are in their 40's & have a over 65 exemption, not sure how they finagled that!
I need to get mine down, as it will be capped.
Thanks so much for your info!

Sassy11 read my blog
Jul 27, 2008 | 10:56 AM

I've noticed a lot of goofidity in the HCAD appraisals. When you look at the comparatives for an entire community, it looks like a jigsaw puzzle of inequity. Nothing at all makes sense. Some of it does when you know that the people are Seniors. What I find interesting is how people can be young and have virtually lower taxes than the other half of the street. It is rather interesting. Additionally, HCAD appraisals are extremely high compared to other areas. It seriously impacts those who are already taxed to death. I've asked people of all age groups if they research their taxes on their property. You would be surprised at the amount of people who don't. They are oblivious to why or how the increases occur. Then there are others who are very knowledgeable like yourself and myself. We've done the math, put the pencil to the paper, taken the time to research the figures and sometimes some of us still get short changed.

Farmerhankhill,
See that is the kind of stupdity that doesn't make sense. In every neighborhood there is always someone who has to press the way out there box. That would irk me to that they aren't even in the 65 age exemption and receiving it.

farmerhankhill read my blog view my photos
Jul 27, 2008 | 12:08 PM

sassy,
You are a astute teddybear, much like my wife Peggy!

Not that it matters to our legislative officials.
I suspect that in a tight economy, prices will escalate rather then decline.
Everyone wants to pay less, & everyone wants to get more?

lanny read my blog
Jul 28, 2008 | 2:54 PM

We lost our first round too. The wife always does it. She lost the first round but we are scheduled to go before the board in the next few weeks.
They raised our value for "07 and our house was barely livable what with all the remodeling and such!!! It's finished now thank god!

FYInfo read my blog view my photos
Jul 28, 2008 | 4:00 PM

Not too sure about the CAP situation.
Ours disappeared and the word NO CAP appeared.
We were told by the appraisers office that a CAP isn't needed if the property has a homestead deduction and don't be concerned about the NO as it's a mistake.
Perhaps that's not the only mistake ?
The media tell us property values have fallen by 11% this year alone.

Wonderful-World read my blog view my photos
Jul 28, 2008 | 4:15 PM

Lanny, take plenty of pictures of the property while it was under construction; be prepared to leave the photos with HCAD. My neighbor had his reduced while their home was undergoing repairs.

FYI - I'd check on the no cap and ask why it mattered one year and not the next. Remember that values are retro to January 1st, as chassan said. If I'm not mistaken, "capped" means they can't increase your value more than a certain percentage each year, i.e. 10% cap per year, or no cap, which could be a higher percentage of the value raised each year.

Whether you pay your taxes through your mortgage company or separately, you will receive the HCAD appraisal notice directly to you, and it is up to you (not your mortgage company) to protest the value.

lanny read my blog
Jul 28, 2008 | 4:22 PM

Don't worry. We have enough photos of the construction to run a one man photo exhibit at the museum.

kagua2 read my blog
Jul 29, 2008 | 10:02 AM

I protested last year in Montgomery County and won. This year, our taxes went up by about $100, but due to other obligations, I was unable to address it. Our escrow account pays our taxes and insurance and we have a cushion for that sort of thing. As a matter of fact, we just refinanced and are to get a refund check from the escrow account. I know if they go up again next year, I will most definitely handle it.

Wonderful-World read my blog view my photos
Jul 29, 2008 | 11:08 AM

My mortgage escrow account pays my taxes as well. However, if there is a shortage at the end of the year (because my taxes went up), I am required to not only pay in the shortage, but also additionally pay in at least the amount of the shortage because they assume that the escrow will fall short for the coming year. Even if I pay the shortage and the projected shortage immediately, my house note goes up. When there is an excess because they requested too much for their projected shortage, I get a refund check and they lower my note a bit. This usually sets me up for a shortage again a year later.

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Wonderful-World

47 y/o Nana who enjoys family, gardening, painting, festivals, fishing, reading, classic rock and classic cars. I'm a litigation paralegal and I love what I do. God sent me two angels - my daughter and grandson. I love a good laugh.

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