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by Chip from Phillipston, Mass

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Ok folks…here comes the Bailout Plan from the blog couple.  Designed by the old guy with the grey beard, questioned and tweaked by the pretty woman.  Developed over coffee in the living room of the daughter of an Air Force Master Sergeant and the son of a chicken farmer.  Simple roots/simple plan.

 

Let’s just forget about the corporations.  Our damned government has no business supporting failed businesses.  That’s why Congress was overwhelmed with calls yesterday that shot down the plan.  No one wants to give money to companies that have given $240 million packages to CEO’s like Franklin Raines.

 

First, what is the big economic problem created if we do nothing?  People who own stock in those companies lose what the have?  News flash everyone, those companies have already tanked.  Folks have already lost their money.  Sorry, but if you buy stock in BLEEP companies, you’ll lose your shirt.  The stock market will tank?  News flash everyone, it already has.  So what?  It’ll go up, even if we do nothing.

 

Really there are only two problems I can see:

 

  1. Corporate execs will lose their high paying jobs.  Ummm…they deserve to!!!
  2. Some amount of foreclosed property, and some amount of non-foreclosed property goes into legal limbo.

 

Let’s look at #2.  What happens to the mortgages of the people who owe money to AIG, or Fannie Mae, or Freddie Mac or whomever?  When these corporation go “BLEEP-up”, who owns the mortgages?  No one?  Now, I’m well aware that I really don’t own my home.  Countrywide Homeloans owns most of m home.  I won’t own it completely until Countrywide discharges my mortgage.  If Countrywide goes out of business, they don’t exist to discharge my mortgage, therefore I can never legally own it!!  Guess what?  I can never legally sell it either!!!  So one of the ramification of this financial crisis is that a large percentage of our homeowners, even the ones paying, will lose the ability to own what they already think they own!!!

 

Solution:

 

Don’t bail out the corporations.  Create a government agency.  Pass legislation that assumes the mortgages of any bank/lending institution that goes out of business.  Do not give a dime to the bank, take the mortgage, lock stock and barrel.  If the loan is in good shape, give the homeowner a new address, and a new envelope.  Allow him/her to pay his mortgage like he always has.  If the mortgage is in foreclosure proceedings, stop them.  Offer a re-written mortgage at a reduced interest rate amortized over 50 years   Make it affordable, yet still financially attractive t the taxpayers.  If they default on that, throw their asses out and sell it/re-mortgage it to another deserving hard working low income person (read well…hard working).  One time mortgages/one time houses/one time program.

 

The Proceeds:

 

  1. Invest 33% of the proceeds in the Social Security Trust Fund.  Reward the hardworking people who made this country great, and already paid their mortgages.  2.  Invest 33% in direct pay down of national debt, especially to China.  3.  Use 33% to “Fair Up” the plan (see next section).

 

“Fairing Up” the Plan:

 

At face value, this plan rewards the folks who don’t pay their bills at the expense of those who do.  As my wife so cogently pointed out-UNFAIR.  Use 33% of the proceeds to give mortgage tax deductions to the people who are paying their normal mortgages.  Give NO tax deductions to those who are getting special “bail out mortgages”.

 

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DuxburyMA read my blog view my photos
Sep 30, 2008 | 10:15 AM

I can not comment on the math side of this, and will not even try to.

However, I do not like "Create a government agency," this just opens another can of worms.

We need to get to the rootof all the problems, not just the Mortgage issues...we need to get rid of those that milk the system, figure out the "illegals mess," the Iraq cituation, the Oil dependency...once we fix all this, then we will see the financial rewards. And by that time my kids, kids may be able to reap the rewards and you and I will long be gone.

In short...there is no fixing this mess. And I am usually the optimist. This glass is half empty.

Chip read my blog view my photos
Sep 30, 2008 | 10:22 AM

You don't evne like creating a government agency that takes in money without putting any out? Collecting "found money"? WOW...

And what do the hardworking homeowners do who PAID their mortgage monthly to AIG for example for ten years who will never be able to own their homes because they are tied up with a non-dischargable mortgage lien on their deed?

captainseapig read my blog view my photos
Sep 30, 2008 | 10:22 AM

I agree that the companies should not be bailed out. This is my gut reaction to this whole thing. The market will adjust. Our whole reason for existing why America was established was for freedom. What most people seem to forget is that with freedom we may have freedom to make decisions etc. But there is no freedom from the consequences of poor decisions. Thus let the market adjust on it's own and let all those who made bogus loans experience the consequences.
I am almost a libertarian so the idea of another government agency that assumes mortgages puts a slight sour taste in my mouth. I like the "solutions" idea but the administration of it I think could be done by a non governmentally influenced business. A private non profit perhaps that has bi annual audits with a board of directors chosen from businesses that are above reproach. How would you find people like this? If it were a governmental agency that administered this program, who would you select to run it? What persons have the integrity and skills to not cause this to turn into another fiasco. Other than my objections I think it's a feasible plan.

Chip read my blog view my photos
Sep 30, 2008 | 10:28 AM

OK, captain, I can buy into the "private non-profit" but who apoints and who ensures it doesn't have a political agenda like ACORN?

DuxburyMA read my blog view my photos
Sep 30, 2008 | 11:00 AM

To be honest, no I do not trust ANY government agency, or governement employee at this point.
Do we not see what a mess this goverment is right now?

Chip read my blog view my photos
Sep 30, 2008 | 11:07 AM

DuxburyMA,

So you allow the hard working folks who PAY their mortgage to, for example, AIG to lose the ability to really OWN what they paid for? folks who signed reasoable mortgages to buy homes they could afford from AIG, for example, when it was not in receivership? Or the hardworking bill paying working stiffs whose mortgages were sold on the secondary market?

How do you deal with that? Or just say...sorry screw you...life sucks..

DuxburyMA read my blog view my photos
Sep 30, 2008 | 11:23 AM

Now I never said that tough cookies to those that have mortgages with the failing companies.

I am simply stating that to start a new government agency at this point is ludicrous.
Like the Captain stated above, who would you get to run this agency? And you KNOW if this did happen someones pockets would be getting lined. The Governemnt is overloaded with corruption. Why do you think we are where we are now, and that a plan has yet to be established? It is because they all do not want to give up there bread and butter. Think your plan needs some tweakin'

Chip read my blog view my photos
Sep 30, 2008 | 11:36 AM

Ok, DuxburyMA...tweak away. I want input. I was specific ideas. I want a plan that could be emailed to local reps by a bunch of people.

Everyone is AGAINST something or other. We need to be FOR something if this is gonna work out.

captainseapig read my blog view my photos
Sep 30, 2008 | 11:42 AM

Good point chip. I think this is about finances. If the approach where purely accountability and bean counting going by the letter of the law in strict accounting practices we should be OK. If on the other hand your worried about special interest infiltration I really don't know the answer. People have to be dedicated and all on the same page if they are going to administer this properly. Personally I feel Mitt Romney would be the ideal administrator and anyone he selects would be qualified. He has excellent resources and talented associates in the business world. Guys like Marriott, Mr. Rollins of Dell Computer, etc. Just my thoughts.

DuxburyMA read my blog view my photos
Sep 30, 2008 | 11:45 AM

Like I stated earlier,
We need to get to the root of all the problems, not just the Mortgage issues...we need to get rid of those that milk the system, figure out the "illegals mess," the Iraq cituation, the Oil dependency...
also another thing I just read,
Two-thirds of Congress' most vulnerable members -- Republicans and Democrats alike -- chose to protect their seats on Election Day rather than follow their party leaders and vote for an unpopular economic bailout plan.
~who gives a crap about your seat, you are representing us, not your cushion. Do this and you loose my vote next time around.

ahumbleman read my blog view my photos
Sep 30, 2008 | 11:49 AM

The problem isn't the stock market, the problem is that the credit markets are incredibly tight. The LIBOR rate, which is the interest rate banks use to lend to one another is up around 4%, which is incredibly high, and as a result, GOOD companies are finding it very difficult to attain credit, which they often need to pay off short-term expenditures while revenue comes in. You ask your question, "What's the big economic problem if we do nothing?" thinking about the stock market, which while bad, would not be the disaster that strikes if we do nothing. That, as I said, is the credit market. Right now no one wants to lend ANYONE money, be they individuals or businesses. If nothing is done and that problem persists you're going to see massive pain throughout the economy, because businesses won't be able to pay their bills, including payroll. People will lose jobs, and not just the Wall St. bastards who got us into this mess, working-class and middle class people will be out on the street too.

ahumbleman read my blog view my photos
Sep 30, 2008 | 12:21 PM

You don't need to create a government agency. If the lending institution you used goes under, SOMEONE owns your mortgage, whether it's the bank that bought them out, or the Federal Government. If your mortgage is currently through AIG, nothing has changed. AIG hasn't gone under, they are still a company, they just happen to be now owned by the Federal Government. Instead of creating a government agency to deal with bad loans, you can allow Bankruptcy judges to re-write the terms so that they are more reasonable. I agree that no mortgage tax deductions should go to people who have had the mortgages re-written by Bankruptcy judges.

Chip read my blog view my photos
Sep 30, 2008 | 12:33 PM

Chris,

Two questions:

1. Isn't it safe to say that with three mega-banks, all the urchases are done and that other institutions will fall? Bankruptcy court may assign assest, but they then forgive unpayable expenses...like bad mortgages. They cannot order "no one" to rewrite a mortgage, if the lender has gone belly up, nor can they order a private enterprise to assume the debts.

2. If the Feds assume them, what do they do with them? That is my central point...why not create a win/win by having a fix that does that our front. It will surely free up money and will most likely lessen the LIBOR rate...

Chip read my blog view my photos
Sep 30, 2008 | 12:48 PM

And captain...You are SO right..Mitt has every qualification for that job, and would accept it in a heartbeat.

captainseapig read my blog view my photos
Sep 30, 2008 | 3:21 PM

Theoretically wouldn't people feel better and have more confidence in the market if Mitt were the Republican candidate right now. I would love to know his feelings on all this right now. Has anyone heard?

Chip read my blog view my photos
Sep 30, 2008 | 4:01 PM

He's probbly at Bain trying to buy a failed bank....

captainseapig read my blog view my photos
Sep 30, 2008 | 6:15 PM

Actually if you google Mitts name and go through some of his recent activities. Bain is buying solid reputable outfits that have fallen on bad times. Mitt is stumping for McCain in Wyoming right now.
From what I understand he is repeating what he has already said about the military and economy. That both need to remain strong for the US to continue to lead the world and be a bastion of democracy and strength. I haven't read anything about his position on government financing for wall street.

NorthernObserver read my blog
Oct 1, 2008 | 2:25 PM

You had me on board until you said; “Create a government agency.”
The last thing we need is another government agency. More useless government employees screwing up mortgages and demanding benefits that we have to pay for with our taxes. No thanks.

Chip read my blog view my photos
Oct 1, 2008 | 4:10 PM

A turns out, NorthernObserver, after some rexzearch, and the assistance of our "MyFoxBoston Blogs Resident Expert" on mortgages, JuneInMa, I've learned that, in fact, all unpurchased failed mortgages end up owned by the FDIC anyway...quasi governmental.

I'm just looking for a way to take the property out of limbo and apply the money to the deficit....in a fair way...that also keeps people housed, and takes homes off the market...

Would you be happier if I said, "Used an existing government agency?"

Xantun read my blog view my photos
Oct 1, 2008 | 6:57 PM

Chip, I'm liking the plan, but I have to suggest someone it would be a good idea to enlist for this. Joe Arpaio, the sheriff in Arizona who has managed to run his prison as a very tight ship. I'm thinking that his input (and assistance) could shape things up pronto!

Chip read my blog view my photos
Oct 1, 2008 | 7:53 PM

Good choice Xantun...but don't we want to save him for Pedophile Island?

Xantun read my blog view my photos
Oct 1, 2008 | 10:59 PM

Chip, if he can run a prison system AND the local animal rescue at the same time, I'm sure double-duty (advising on the bailout/running the island) on something relatively easy like this wouldn't be that hard for him.

Zigulis101803 read my blog view my photos
Oct 3, 2008 | 1:48 PM

Chip & Okie: you will have to save as much as 33% of your income to get by and it won't be very hard to do, let me ask you this question do you both have stocks and bonds.

Chip read my blog view my photos
Oct 3, 2008 | 2:09 PM

Casimir,

We have a joint stock account and each have a retirement account through our work.

Zigulis101803 read my blog view my photos
Oct 7, 2008 | 3:42 PM

Hi Chip,

Well that will keep you both going at the same time. and Casimir has a retirement plan through work too.

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Chip

Just your average guy, married to a woman who is incredibly smart and possibly more conservative than I am. Father of three and grandfather of one soon to be two. Devoted Patriots fan and season ticket holder, snowmobile enthusiast and lifelong public servant.

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