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First off, what is "the Black vote"? 

The problem with the United States is that we have seperated between ethnic groups. 

The is a complete juxtapostion of how a democracy works. 

Clinton and Obama shouldn't be fighting over "Black" votes.  They should be embracing the policies that they are campiagning about. 

Black people and White people are no different than each other.  So, why would anyone feel that these ethnic group have totally different issues?

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FaithTempo read my blog view my photos
Jan 15, 2008 | 7:08 PM

My ultimate hope is that they both make it to the White House...one as president and the other as VP.

mouthpeace read my blog
Jan 16, 2008 | 4:22 PM

What I hoped is that people would youtube and then comment on my blog about the footage on there about the Clintons and there past. That didn't happen, so I will flip my two cents into your bucket... Most people don't understand the electorate process, less the direct influences it has apon there lives. My question is why are we considered miorities. but when it comes to election the blacks are the only ones splintered off to have political influence. You never see candidates campaigning for the Asian vote or the latino vote.? An supposedly they out number us and run a close fourth right behind us in population. This is a retorical question... The reason the parties do not campaign to those demographics is because they have never exercised political influence. They assimilate into white America.If the minorites were to come together and vote as one sense thats how they classify us any other time, then we would have more influence now than we have ever had. Be very weary of the things they say sense the have the power to see us as minorites and then turn around and splinter us when benefical to them. Also do your home work on your candidates before casting your ballot. You don't have to look hard nor far to realize were still under the Reagan RESIGME. Better yet ask yourself this question how can you go from Arkansas to D.C. to a senator in New York. Virtually with out missing a beat. Normally well at least where I'm from your senators and representatives are just that representatives of there region. There not career journey men. Or in this case women. These are just my t

mouthpeace read my blog
Jan 16, 2008 | 4:33 PM

Hillary will very likely be elected. The only thing is while everyone is caught up in the hoopla of the first woman president. We will be going through change and not the good change but the same old changes we've been going through. The direct assault of our constitution and unreallenting assault on the bill of rights... Do your homework, Look up Maurice Bishop, Ron Brown, Mena Arkansas/Clintons. An then will have a format to discuss my grievances.

omarsm01 read my blog view my photos
Jan 17, 2008 | 4:25 PM

"THE BLACK VOTE" IS VOTES FROM BLACK VOTERS, EVEN THOUGH ALOT OF US WON'T VOTE, THEY ARE TRYING TO EDUCATE AND PERSUADE BLACKS TO EXCERCISE THERE RIGHT AND COME OUT AND VOTE, ALOT OF PEOPLE, BLACK AND WHITE FEEL THAT THERE VOTE WON'T COUNT, THAT ALL POLITICIANS ARE CROOKS AND TELL YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR TO GET YOUR VOTE AND GET IN OFFICE.

Diamond_Dave
Jan 18, 2008 | 9:45 PM

There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.
This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.
But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.
The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.
The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our bo

Diamond_Dave
Jan 18, 2008 | 9:46 PM

The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American.
Addressing the Knights of Columbus in New York City
12 October 1915

Diamond_Dave
Jan 18, 2008 | 9:47 PM

This quote was by Theodore Roosevelt by the way.

4dollars15cents read my blog
Jan 19, 2008 | 3:11 AM

Diamond Dave, what does any of that have to do with the subject at hand?

If you have some pre(hyphen)judgements against anyone, regardless of their ethnicity, then you are free, as an American, to say what you feel.

However, you must also understand that your views are yours.

The Black vote is a counted vote. However, I feel that candiddates shouldn't go after a particular vote from any ethnic group. Because when you do that, it really shows how divided this country truly is. But not only that, it really shows that our government really don't truly focus on all of the issues.

There shouldn't be issues that are only focused on Black people, no more than there are issues only focused on Whites and whom ever else. When we seperate the issues, we tend to lose focus on the realism of our democracy.

The issue of violent crimes and such isn't just a Black issue; it's a national issue. The issue of education isn't just a Black issue; it's a national issue. Regardless of what the statistics says, African-American issues are not separated from any other issue in America. And I just feel that candidates should treat those issues any different than any other national issue.

Because as long as we stay divided and complacent with our selfish views, we will never know what it's like to grow in the true American spirit.

FaithTempo read my blog view my photos
Jan 22, 2008 | 5:47 PM

I personally have never hyphenated African American, but okay. You point is rather nonsensical to me, Diamond Dave.

And what does it have to with this particular blog?

...just curious.

mouthpeace read my blog
Jan 22, 2008 | 6:06 PM

For those that can't follow the evolution of the country. The reason the black vote is courted is because we're the only demographic that has expressed our voice politically. I.E. the civil rights movement. Our unified movement effected not only the nation spiritually it effected the foundations of institutions built through capitol. Hence they acknowledge our voice because we demanded to be heard. An any half witted polotician knows we once united for poltical change therefore they court our vote. An i will always hyphenate my status becuase this is the only piece of my history that I can be sure of. Everything else is so distorted. BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL. An Africa is the womb of the world.

crwm
Jan 23, 2008 | 2:34 PM

The "Black vote" is what it is, "the Black vote." However, I don't believe the candidates should center their campaigns on that specifically. Many African Americans (or Black people...whatever the preference) tend to vote Democratic in Georgia. If I know Georgia well enough, a Republican would probably get the Electoral vote. I most certainly felt that my vote didn't count in the past two presidential elections because Bush is still in the White House. I will continue to vote because I'm sure that SOME DAY my vote will count, after all I've only been voting for less than a decade. Whenever that day comes (when I feel that my vote counted), then I will believe that the "Black vote" is important enough to address. If I was running for President, I think the White vote would be more important.

You made a true statement: "The problem with the United States is that we have separated between ethnic groups." However, we still have some ways to go. In the south (I don't know about the northern U.S.), we have only been free for little over forty years. In the 1960s, my parents still had to shop in the basement of Rich's when it was once located in the heart of downtown Atlanta. Did you catch the news on Jena, Louisiana with the supremacist march on the Great Martin Luther King, Jr. holiday? That type of stuff still exists today. The KKK still marches in GA. Indians (from Indian, Pakistan, etc.) do not like Blacks...I know this from personal experience. Hispanics gravitate more towards the White race (although some are darker than me). Asians think Black people are dumb and incap

crwm
Jan 23, 2008 | 2:35 PM

My post was too long so it was cut off. To continue...Asians think Black people are dumb and incapable of learning. We will always be separated between ethnic groups as long as ignorant people like that still exist in this world.

Also true: "Clinton and Obama shouldn't be fighting over "Black" votes. They should be embracing the policies that they are campaigning about." Like I said before, they both need to try to capture the "White vote" in GA since it appears that the Whites will dominate the elections here. They should both just stick to the issues at hand.

Black people and White people are different, but we all have similar issues.

HLHarris read my blog
Jan 23, 2008 | 8:56 PM

The United States of America is but one portion of North America, dominated by Canada, Mexico and the United States. Cuba is an American Country; therefore, this is what we must first understand. Now this black-white divide. This goes back long before any of us was born and the divide is based in a hate for each other, a hate that still exists.

Most Blacks see Affirmative Action as a positive while most Whites see it as a Negative. By the way, that was the “Southern Issue” that George W. rode into the White House, and it is still a big issue here. If more people would read more and talk less, they would understand that it has opened more doors for Whites than Blacks and is can be used in many, many ways.

Another Southern Issue is this Flag thing. Anyone that finds pride in flying the battle flag of a “Nation” that fought against the United States can only be looked upon as a trader. That flag does have a place in our history and a place of honor; I can appreciate that simply because people that lost family in that war will always be here. That place of honor should be in a War Museum. Have you noticed however that many of the supporters of this illegal war in Iraq proudly fly that flag from posts at their homes?

Truth be told, there should be only two considerations in a political campaign, how do I influence the most people and a true belief in your message. But for most, it is the office not the issues. If it was about the issues politicians would spend more time in the lunch rooms and not the board rooms. It appears to me that only Mr. Edwards really

4dollars15cents read my blog
Jan 24, 2008 | 8:02 AM

HLHarris, I really didn't catch your focus. Well, at least, not all of it. And I actually sat down and tried to read it. However, allow me, in my own opinion, address some of your statements.

First off, the so-called "Black-White" divide isn't built upon hate. And reason being, there's no premise for hatred. For anyone to hate another person, solely based upon their skin color is a zip dang fool.

Slavery, in the United States, and the Civil War had absolutely nothing to do with the hatred of Black people. Nor is slavery is the primary cause for the United States to be divided. All of that has been one big fat lie after lie.

Slavery and the Civil War, as with a lot of hypocrisies in the United States, including the war in Iraq, has ALWAYS been about the power of wealth.

Blacks became slaves in the United States, through the "Atlantic Slave Trade". Kidnapped, bought and sold; not because of someone's hatred of a skin color, but because of someone else's greed.

The Civil War was fought over cotton. And setting the slaves free was only a war tactic to halt the production of the cash crop. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? Can you say, Iraq war?

"FREE THE PEOPLE" and release the oil. It has always been about money. That's the true American history.

4dollars15cents read my blog
Jan 24, 2008 | 8:17 AM

The "Black" vote, as with any other vote is a very important voice. However, I don't feel that candidates should be taking advantage of those voices.

If your campaign is strong and the focus of the issues are understood, then the vote should come easy.

I don't like used car salesman/saleswoman. I don't like door-to-door sales people. And sometimes, I just feel that candidates are out to sell their issues to the highest bidder. But I guess that's what a campaign is, right?

O.K. Where's the catch? There's always a catch?

We got sold into going into war with Iraq and look at what it is costing us.

In the year 2000, George W. Bush promised that we will be investing our money in "something" or another, during his first campaign drive and now the economy is going flat broke, eight years later.

Promises, promises. Everyone want the votes, but nobody can live up to the promises.

Why does our votes have to come with a disclaimer of "Buyer Beware"? Should be voter beware.

russell_brock read my blog view my photos
Jan 25, 2008 | 5:50 AM

4dollars.....please don't take offense to this. If you are a Black American, I applaud you for saying that Civil was fought because of Northern aggression and not slavery. Slavery was just a side issue in the whole scheme of things....As for voting for Obama, I would vote for him instead of Comrade Hillary. Obama is very moderate on some issues and liberal on othere. We need a strong leader to make our country number 1 in the world once more.

TRUTH1927 read my blog
Jan 25, 2008 | 8:05 AM

AFRICAN AMERICANS, NEED TO STUDY THE ROOTS OF THE CLINTONS BEFORE VOTING. AND STOP CALL BILL THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT... THAT IS AN INSULT TO BLACK MEN EVERYWHERE.... CHECK OUT JUST ONE SITE ON HOW HE REALY FEELS,, OUT OF THE HEART THE MOUTH SPEAKS.
http://serr8d.blogspot.com/2007/10/bill-clinton-racist-
postcard-buy-it-now.html

gmen read my blog view my photos
Jan 25, 2008 | 1:13 PM

The political stradagy of playing into the black vote from the Clinton campange is quite simple.
#1 -Let Obama create this division.He naturally wins S.C. primary.
#2-Clintons remain seeking votes from the "Black " voters in S.C primary.
#3-The back lash from this for Obama is it turns the "white" voters to Clinton.
#4-Clinton wins big in FLA
Part two,the other side to this coin is the female voter of all americans,not racial division but gender.
And lets not forget the male gender,should we vote for McCain because he is a man,and not for Clinton.
What about Muslin,religious division.
For me,the state of South Carolina made up my mind,Obama flipped the race card out there and turned me cold as a door knob to him.I did not like it then and do not like it to day.From everyday life to who i chose to work with is not determined by the color of skin,religious belief or gender.
Now on to the election,Hillary gets the majority female vote,even the african american women.They will feel as if they betrayed her,gender issues there.
Obama shot him self in the foot,as Quoted by Hillary,until the president of the USA believed in the dream that the Great MLK had,he was fighting a very terrible battle.With zero help from government ,(police )the results were tragic.Bless his heart my Jesus,he was a tremendous man.
It is very clear as to what is happening,Obama has opened up a can of worms that he cannot close.

gmen read my blog view my photos
Jan 25, 2008 | 1:31 PM

Part #1
Hillary Clinton will undoubtedly lose the South Carolina primary as African-Americans line up to vote for Barack Obama. And that defeat will power her drive to the nomination.
The Clintons are encouraging the national media to disregard the whites who vote in South Carolina’s Democratic primary and focus on the black turnout, which is expected to be quite large. They have transformed South Carolina into Washington, D.C. — an all-black primary that tells us how the African-American vote is going to go.
By saying he will go door to door in black neighborhoods in South Carolina matching his civil rights record against Obama’s, Bill Clinton emphasizes the pivotal role the black vote will play in the contest. And by openly matching his record on race with that of the black candidate, he invites more and more scrutiny focused on the race issue.

Of course, Clinton is going to lose that battle. Blacks in Nevada overwhelmingly backed Obama and will obviously do so again in South Carolina, no matter how loudly former President Clinton protests. So why is he making such a fuss over a contest he knows he’s going to lose?
Precisely because he is going to lose it. If Hillary loses South Carolina and the defeat serves to demonstrate Obama’s ability to attract a bloc vote among black Democrats, the message will go out loud and clear to white voters that this is a racial fight. It’s one thing for polls to show, as they now do, that Obama beats Hillary among African-Americans by better than 4-to-1 and Hillary carries whites by almost 2-to-1. But most people don’t read the fin

gmen read my blog view my photos
Jan 25, 2008 | 1:33 PM

part #2
But most people don’t read the fine print on the polls. But if blacks deliver South Carolina to Obama, everybody will know that they are bloc-voting. That will trigger a massive white backlash against Obama and will drive white voters to Hillary Clinton.

Obama has done everything he possibly could to keep race out of this election. And the Clintons attracted national scorn when they tried to bring it back in by attempting to minimize the role Martin Luther King Jr. played in the civil rights movement. But here they have a way of appearing to seek the black vote, losing it, and getting their white backlash, all without any fingerprints showing. The more President Clinton begs black voters to back his wife, and the more they spurn her, the more the election becomes about race — and Obama ultimately loses.
Because they have such plans for South Carolina, the Clintons were desperate to win in Nevada. They dared not lose two primaries in a row leading up to Florida. But now they can lose South Carolina with impunity, having won in Nevada.
But don’t look for them to walk away from South Carolina. Their love needs to appear to have been unrequited by the black community for their rejection to seem so unfair that it triggers a white backlash. In this kind of ricochet politics, you have to lose openly and publicly in order to win the next round. And since the next round consists of all the important and big states, polarizing the contest into whites versus blacks will work just fine for Hillary.
Of course, this begs the question of how she will be able to attract bl

gmen read my blog view my photos
Jan 25, 2008 | 1:37 PM

Part #3
Of course, this begs the question of how she will be able to attract blacks after beating Obama. Here the South Carolina strategy also serves its purpose. If she loses blacks and wins whites by attacking Obama, it will look dirty and underhanded to blacks. She’ll develop a real problem in the minority community. But if she is seen as being rejected by minority voters in favor of Obama after going hat in hand to them and trying to out-civil rights Obama, blacks will even likely feel guilty about rejecting Hillary and will be more than willing to support her in the general election.

rottweiler7575 read my blog view my photos
Jan 25, 2008 | 11:22 PM

I would LOVE TO SEE A WOMAN OR A BLACK AS President, But BILLARY is not the woman & Obama is not the Black...Both will only let more illegals flood this country and take more jobs, increase crime & gangs, but most of all will cost every TAX PAYER in this COUNTRY OUR HARD EARNED MONEY...

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